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How do you know there's not a teapot orbiting the sun?


To my knowledge there are many millions of teapots orbiting the sun.


No, they're all orbiting the Earth very badly. :p


There is no reason to think that teapots were sent into orbit or spontaneously formed there.

Likewise, there is no reason to think the brain employs super-Turing or quantum computations that cannot be approximated by LLMs.


The point is that you're asking someone to prove a negative.


Right, it follows naturally that one can never meaningfully discuss that which can only be settled by proving negatives. Hence the total lack of debate on religious topics, as everyone just gave up 1500 years ago and decided that God indeed may or may not exist and that's that.


It's a negative in your worldview where "intelligence can't be a computation" is an axiom or something close. To me this worldview is sloppy thinking.


We have reason to believe consciousness cannot be replicated via computation, and reason to suspect consciousness is an important aspect of cognition. Now, what reason do you have for believing intelligence could be replicated computationally?


I did not express my opinion or "worldview." I was simply responding to this:

> exclude LLMs with CoT from the category of intelligent systems with certainty


Why do you think that intelligence of a Turing-complete system trained on human data can be likened to a Russell's teapot?

At least, don't you think that the recent mathematical results of LLMs are a bit like a glimpse of something teapot-shaped in the orbit? (which makes it not a Russell's teapot, which. by definition, can't be observed).

To me, it's an expected progression of ANNs' approximation of human cognitive processes. The universal approximation theorem guaranties the existence of such ANNs barring the super-Turing or quantum superiority of the brain.


> Why do you think that intelligence of a Turing-complete system trained on human data can be likened to a Russell's teapot?

I don't? You are presenting opinions as if they are mine, but they are not.


I'm trying to understand what's going on in the head of people who are certain that LLMs can't be intelligent. And it proves to be a daunting task. Have you tried to reflect on your certainty? Where it comes from?


You’re right to point that out. The load-bearing seam of your logical retort is the hidden assumption that the teapot is in outer space, not at peace on a kitchen stovetop here on earth. I am sorry I had not considered this fact. \s




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