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Yes, people aren't aware of what's happening. That's a consequence of lazy reporting.

Tesla's charging standard is being dropped and CCS will be used by everyone. It's a shame North America still has years of plug incompatibilities and adapter fiddling to look forward to.

Europe really got EV charging standardization right. The European EV infrastructure is much further advanced than the North American infrastructure thanks in part to sensible standardization.



Stop misleading people.

The opposite is happening. Tesla is opening their network to other brands. Ford and a few other car makers have already agreed. In new cars made from 2025, you can go to the only properly working charging network, plug in the car, and leave with no credit card hustle. Basically, like Tesla had forever.

It's a shame other brands didn't adopt a much better Tesla adapter as a standard. It's much more convenient and light.

I've seen how adapters work; they work badly and are glitchy. So, if someone buys a car with an old port in 2024, they will start to see lots of pain in 2025.


I'm not sure what you mean w/r/t the adapters. It sounds like most manufacturers will just use Tesla supplied adapters. I doubt they will be very bulky. They might even be easier to use than native CCS1. :)


> Tesla is opening their network to other brands.

By implementing CCS. How do you think it works in Europe right now? They all use CCS, both cars and chargers. Tesla included.


NACS is protocol agnostic. Cars in Europe have different plugs.

Tesla will use their protocol and support CCS on chargers.

What Tesla offers to other brands in North America is much more advanced.

New cars will be able to see on the map how many stalls are available etc.

Payments integration etc.

It's a far more deeper integration and I guess that's the real big deal that needs to be standardized.

Tesla got the best-in-class charging experience, and finally, in 1 year, other brands can have somewhat matching capabilities.


> NACS is protocol agnostic.

Yes, it's just a plug on the end of a CCS charger.

> What Tesla offers to other brands in North America is much more advanced.

They're offering CCS. It's how it works whether you like it or not.


> It's a shame North America still has years of plug incompatibilities and adapter fiddling

Not really, Tesla has over 24k charging stalls in the US. The second biggest is Electrify America, and they have only 3,800 charging stalls. There really aren't a lot of EV chargers that are non-tesla in the US, unlike the EU.


There are 7,869 locations and 15,661 CCS ports in the US and Canada (versus 2,297 locations and 25,247 Tesla ports):

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html

It's plugs on chargers and inlets on cars. It'll be a slow and tedious process.


TBH, the afdc data badly overstates the number of available locations. Not only do they include a lot of broken or otherwise inaccessible locations, but they include things like this: https://www.plugshare.com/location/1564

I think that currently holds the record for the slowest DCFC in the country. :)


> max 13A, 4kW

Wow! You'd get a better charge from a standard 15A 110V AC plug.


No, you want to compare Watts, not Volts, as Watts measures power and Volts is just potential.

A 15A 110V outlet can supply 1500W continuous (1.5kW). A 4kW DC charger is almost three times higher power than this.


I didn’t include the crappy L2 destination chargers, of which there are a whole lot more of that support teslas.

I was referring to the L3 superchargers / fast chargers or equivalent. The majority of the ones you linked are L2 chargers are are not that useful outside of destination charging.


That is DC fast chargers. If you include J1772 AC chargers in the count the numbers are 66,093 locations and 146,206 ports.


It sounds like you’re talking about DCFC. AC chargers are much more common and they are predominantly using the J1772 connector today.




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