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What are the others? If you contest a ticket, you either have representation or you don’t. You can either afford good representation or you cannot.


Traffic court attorneys aren't expensive. They are actually incredibly cheap. There's also no public defenders in US traffic courts at least.


Last time I checked with a lawyer about a traffic ticket he told me that it wasn't worth his time to go to court (this was the school provided free legal service and the case was just a burnt headlight that I didn't have verified fixed within a week, you decide if he should have gone to court with me or if he would have for a more complex case), but I was instructed how to present my case. I got my fine reduced at least, which was important as a student paying my own way (I'm one of the last to pay for college just by working jobs between class, so this was important)


Yeah, that's because he's an attorney that gets paid a lot. go to the traffic court and you'll find the ones that don't get paid a lot. That's why they are hanging out in traffic court representing litigants there.


I mean, not contesting the ticket is likely to be a better option than delegating your chances of not being convicted of contempt of court or perjury to the truthfulness and legal understanding of an LLM...


Sure if your objective is to minimize your own personal exposure. If your goal is to push toward a world where poor folks aren’t coerced into not contesting their tickets because they can’t afford to go to court or get representation, then maybe it is a good option.


I prefer a world in which people pay a small fine or make their own excuses rather than pay the fine money to a VC-backed startup for access to an LLM to mount a legally unsound defence that ends up getting them into a lot more trouble, yes.

If your goal is to ensure poor folks are pushed towards paying an utterly unaccountable service further fees to escalate legal cases they don't have the knowledge to win so the LPs of Andreesen Horowitz have that bit more growth in their portfolio, I can see how you would think differently.


Yes yes, Andreessen bad and assumed negative outcomes bad, therefore my solution (nil) is just fine.


> goal is to push toward a world where poor folks aren’t coerced into not contesting their tickets

Invest in a company doing this properly and not pushing half-baked frauds into the world. Supervised learning, mock trials. You’re proposing turning those poor folk into Guinea pigs, gambling with their freedom from afar.


This company has been doing this stuff for years. Yes this is a big step forward but it’s not from zero, as you’re suggesting. What makes you think they haven’t been doing mock trials and tons of supervised learning?

And no, I’m not. I don’t think Defendant Zero (or one, or two, or 100) should be people whose lives would be seriously affected by errors. I’m pretty sure DNP doesn’t either.


> What makes you think they haven’t been doing mock trials and tons of supervised learning?

The CEO tweeting they fucked up a default judgement [1]. That not only communicates model failure, but also lack of domain expertise and controls at the organisational level.

[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/questauthority/status/16175419211...


It's not a licensed attorney.. it can't be disbarred.. it has no legal duties to its clients. What don't you get??


This is a false dichotomy that you are making up in order to politically justify your narrative that is otherwise completely made up nonsense best described as legal malpractice.




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