Well who would've thought the value signaling politics of today would be absurd and lack any intelligence or foresight.
There are also sacrifices to be made by everyone, if you want less immigration you'll have to get off your ass and do those "jobs you'll never lower yourself to" yourself, if you want sustainable energy you might want to start building nuclear plants with formally (as in mathematically) modeled, verified and tested components, and you might also use the same phone for 5 years and not have a phone, a tablet, a tv, a desktop and a laptop for every member of the family, 3 cars, always on AC, etc., might use blankets for heat or open your windows for cool air or you know just sweat and drink water, etc. when your only problem in life is whether you'll use a plastic bag or a paper bag when every single product you bought contains 10 smaller products individually wrapped in plastic and every electronics you own (mainly for entertainment since 1 laptop is enough) uses hundreds of materials all shipped across earth to a country that assembles them using almost slavery and ships them back.
But no, you see the right advocating for X thing but not wanting to do anything about it, and the left is advocating for Y but also not wanting to do anything about it, and everyone is trying to convince everyone else that they're really contributing to X or Y cause.
The first thing to do to cut on over consumption and thus energy use would be war, because if you're unable to stop yourself from attacking a country on the other side of the world, kill a million civilians, all for oil, aka murder to get cheaper oil, then you're probably unable to sacrifice personal comfort for a greater cause, and will settle for virtue signaling and larping as a good person.
Now I don't think this problem can be solved, because we're first of all human, aka primates with greed, violence and lack of care for anyone or anything with a DNA too different from ours, and until we start to discuss these things as they are and not as we want them to be, then our decisions won't go anywhere. The other issue to solve this is democracy, people are always dissatisfied and will always vote for the person who serves them best, right now, that's why we allow the central bank to print money and lend it to our government for interest, to be paid by our grandkids through taxes, just so we can have better roads today, and that's why we'll vote for the person who'll make us more comfortable now even if it means the people who'll live a hundred years from now will live in a worse environment than the one we live in.
Someone needs to invent a new protocol for politics, that would serve us now and in the future better than our current system does, but that's super hard and would make some other protocol like say bitcoin seem like a 3 year old's solution to a trivial problem.
And I didn't even talk about how 100 IQ is the average that that means half the population is under that and can't even conceptualize of things more abstract than "do this now" => "experience consequences tomorrow", and wouldn't understand or care about sacrifice today for future generations, unless they're pushed towards it by social shame and other powerful human motivators, but then they won't understand anything deeply, and will spend an hour separating paper from glass for recycling because they genuinely think it's important, but then take 6 flights for holidays, drive huge card, order useless shit online, change electronics every year, because those are also pushed with powerful human motivators like social status etc.
So yeah, there can be no simple solution like vote for Mr. A to get result B.
> when every single product you bought contains 10 smaller products individually wrapped in plastic
I never asked for this, noone ever did. Lets place the blame where is belongs, shall we?
You have swallawed the corporate propaganda of 'consumer is to blame' line, hook and sinker. We know that oil companies have spent billions on disinformation campaigns, we know they falsified scientific studies, villified nuclear power, and lobbied against every solution that would get us off oil.
We ripped out electric trams and trolley busses out of our cities. Sacraficed public walkways for cars and made our cities dangerous
We invented the crime of Jaywalking, something so stupid it still boggles my mind.
It was not the consumer that came up with the genious supply chain that ships shrimp caught in America to phillipines for processing, and then ships it back. A pair of jeans travels around the world three times before it arrives in the store. It's not the consumer that burns unsold fashion items to maintain artificial scarcity.
Its not the consumer that uses copyright to keeps repair manual under wraps, refuses to sell spare parts and makes products unrepairable.
These are the same people that encouraged children to smoke, added cocaine into a drink for kids, added lead to oil, dumped nuclear waste in the ocean and PTFAs into drinking water. They use child labour in every country where they can get away with it.
I don't blame the consumer, I just make fun of those who virtue signal as if they truly do their part, but again the consumer votes with his wallet, but society motivates him into a certain way of spending by bombarding him with ads, etc.
The problem is the system, you can't blame a cell in a cow for now behaving the same way as a cell in a cat, we're just that, cells that interact with one another, the emergent system is our society, and since we've become super connected with the internet, society could be seen as its own brain with its own consciousness and needs, and trying to think about it is as useless as a single neuron trying to imagine consciousness.
Honestly I'm just not smart enough to think about these things, it's a problem with too many variables, and while it can be modeled with analogies and examples limited by language, those are just useful for internet posting or entertaining conversations.
There are also sacrifices to be made by everyone, if you want less immigration you'll have to get off your ass and do those "jobs you'll never lower yourself to" yourself, if you want sustainable energy you might want to start building nuclear plants with formally (as in mathematically) modeled, verified and tested components, and you might also use the same phone for 5 years and not have a phone, a tablet, a tv, a desktop and a laptop for every member of the family, 3 cars, always on AC, etc., might use blankets for heat or open your windows for cool air or you know just sweat and drink water, etc. when your only problem in life is whether you'll use a plastic bag or a paper bag when every single product you bought contains 10 smaller products individually wrapped in plastic and every electronics you own (mainly for entertainment since 1 laptop is enough) uses hundreds of materials all shipped across earth to a country that assembles them using almost slavery and ships them back.
But no, you see the right advocating for X thing but not wanting to do anything about it, and the left is advocating for Y but also not wanting to do anything about it, and everyone is trying to convince everyone else that they're really contributing to X or Y cause.
The first thing to do to cut on over consumption and thus energy use would be war, because if you're unable to stop yourself from attacking a country on the other side of the world, kill a million civilians, all for oil, aka murder to get cheaper oil, then you're probably unable to sacrifice personal comfort for a greater cause, and will settle for virtue signaling and larping as a good person.
Now I don't think this problem can be solved, because we're first of all human, aka primates with greed, violence and lack of care for anyone or anything with a DNA too different from ours, and until we start to discuss these things as they are and not as we want them to be, then our decisions won't go anywhere. The other issue to solve this is democracy, people are always dissatisfied and will always vote for the person who serves them best, right now, that's why we allow the central bank to print money and lend it to our government for interest, to be paid by our grandkids through taxes, just so we can have better roads today, and that's why we'll vote for the person who'll make us more comfortable now even if it means the people who'll live a hundred years from now will live in a worse environment than the one we live in.
Someone needs to invent a new protocol for politics, that would serve us now and in the future better than our current system does, but that's super hard and would make some other protocol like say bitcoin seem like a 3 year old's solution to a trivial problem.
And I didn't even talk about how 100 IQ is the average that that means half the population is under that and can't even conceptualize of things more abstract than "do this now" => "experience consequences tomorrow", and wouldn't understand or care about sacrifice today for future generations, unless they're pushed towards it by social shame and other powerful human motivators, but then they won't understand anything deeply, and will spend an hour separating paper from glass for recycling because they genuinely think it's important, but then take 6 flights for holidays, drive huge card, order useless shit online, change electronics every year, because those are also pushed with powerful human motivators like social status etc.
So yeah, there can be no simple solution like vote for Mr. A to get result B.